Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:55): I thank the senator for his question. What the Prime Minister has announced is that we will introduce legislation to amend the Migration Act so as to provide certainty for offshore processing. Senator Abetz interjecting— Senator CARR: Yes, Senator Abetz, I have said it before because it is a simple statement of fact; we are intending to do it. The cost of implementing the transfer arrangements for Malaysia will be pretty much what was announced in previous times—some $292 million. The alternative arrangement, Senator Humphries, is the one that is being promoted by the Liberal Party, which would involve a cost of some $980 million over four years for the operational expenses alone of pursuing the Nauru proposition, a proposition which would have no material effect on the people-smuggling syndicates because they know that in 95 per cent of cases where people were found to be refugees they ended up in Australia or New Zealand. The model that you propose is essentially a model that is predicated on the presumption that people-smuggling syndicates have not changed their business practices. They know the effect of the policy that you have advocated means that there is no deterrent. That is on top of the extraordinary suffering that you impose on the people who are directly affected by this—namely, persons who are seeking refugee status. Tony Abbott is showing that he is quite prepared to ignore the advice of the experts within the department and the experts that we see right across the board, and he is seeking to— (Time expired)