Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:46): I have indicated that, while the UNHCR will not be a signatory to the agreement, the UNHCR will be helping the transferees to become self-reliant. I have also made it clear that, in regard to the arrangements entered into with Malaysia, there will be no caning of persons that are removed from Australia. The terms of the agreement are very clear. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Carr, resume your seat. If senators want to debate it, the time is post question time. Senator Carr. Senator CARR: We have made it clear that people who are removed to Malaysia will be treated with dignity and respect in accordance with human rights standards and that means no caning. I understand there is some fascination on that side of the chamber and I heard that there has been a considerable interest in these issues for some time but I suggest you keep them to yourself. This is clearly a much more serious matter when it comes to the actual treatment of people in this regard.