Ms GILLARD (Lalor—Prime Minister) (14:24): I have answered the shadow minister's questions, and what I confirm to the Leader of the Opposition—as he knows, because we have made the briefing available to him—is that there comes a time in this parliament when the Leader of the Opposition cannot come in here and pretend that facts are not facts. He received a briefing— Government members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! The question has been asked. Mr Baldwin interjecting— The SPEAKER: For the sake of those who sit behind him, the member for Paterson interjected on an utterance that I made, and he is now warned. I hope that that is clear to all. Ms GILLARD: There comes a point when the Leader of the Opposition cannot come into this parliament and pretend facts are not facts. Yes, I freely concede that I made an error yesterday and I should have said 'Australia and New Zealand', but the facts are also— Opposition members interjecting— Ms GILLARD: And, thank you; no amount of yelling changes this fact. No amount of abuse from the opposition changes the fact that the opposition has had access to advice— Mrs Bronwyn Bishop: Mr Speaker, I rise on a point of order relating to relevance and direct answers. Whilst it is interesting to listen to the whingeing and the whining of the Prime Minister, it is necessary that she actually answer the question that was asked. The SPEAKER: The member for Mackellar will resume her place. She is warned. Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Durack is warned, only because I am not sure that he was the actual culprit. If I knew he were the culprit he would be out for one hour. The member for Mackellar, the member for Durack and others can rise and use the one point of order that is allowed under the standing orders, but there is an expectation that they have a point of order and not a debating point. On the point of order, I remind the member for Mackellar that the standing orders do not talk about direct answers. They require the answer to be directly relevant. I have indicated my concern that those are the standing orders, but if the member of Mackellar would like to get them changed, she can make a submission to the Procedures Committee. The Prime Minister has the call. She is responding to the question. Ms GILLARD: Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. In direct response to the Leader of the Opposition's question, given I was asked about Nauru and conclusions about processing on it, let me confirm to this parliament something the Leader of the Opposition cannot deny. He has been given access to a briefing from the same experts that advised the Howard government when they were in office, and that briefing has said very clearly to them that Nauru will not work; it will not have the deterrent effect of the Malaysia arrangement. Now, I fully understand that the Leader of the Opposition is free, if he chooses to do so, to receive advice and to reject that advice. What he should not do is misrepresent that advice. He had that advice; that is a fact. It is undeniable, full stop. He has that advice. Now he may choose to receive that advice and to walk away from it and not accept it. That is a matter for him, and he can take that to the court of public opinion and have that argument, and he can take that policy to the next election and have that argument. My issue with the Leader of the Opposition is not that. He can keep arguing Nauru until the cows come home; that is not the question. The question is whether or not the opposition will join with the government to amend the Migration Act so executive government, this government or any government in the future, has the ability and power it needs to implement the solutions it believes best. I fully accept that the Leader of the Opposition, for a reason best known to himself given the advice he has received, has determined that his attitude is that he wants to do processing on Nauru. That is a matter for him, but he cannot deny the fact that currently, if he were elected as Prime Minister in this country at any time, he would not be able to implement that solution, beyond legal doubt—and in that regard I refer to the Solicitor-General's advice. Once again, twisting and turning and denying the facts— Mr Morrison interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Cook is warned! Mr Bowen: What would a QC know? The SPEAKER: The Minister for Immigration and Citizenship is warned! Ms GILLARD: The Solicitor-General's advice is what I am referring to. On the basis of that advice, if the Leader of the Opposition believes that a government should implement Nauru as a processing centre, the legislation needs amending. We are asking the opposition to stump up to that decision and to stop twisting, stop turning, stop misrepresenting, stop spinning, and answer the simple question: should executive government have the power to determine offshore processing? We say: yes. What do you say?