Mr ABBOTT (Warringah—Prime Minister) (14:29): Madam Speaker, how can the Leader of the Opposition be complaining when he supports the cuts? He supports cuts. He was asked yesterday: would you reverse the cuts if you took office? And he said, 'We do not think the cuts need to be as deep as they are.' Mr Burke: Madam speaker, I rise on a point of order: direct relevance. In this question time, under direct relevance, the Prime Minister has been allowed to throw any abuse he wants at the questioner. The SPEAKER: The member will resume his seat. On the question of abuse, there is more than enough of it in this chamber today. The Prime Minister has the call. Mr ABBOTT: The Leader of the Opposition just said across the table, 'You will find out where our cuts are when we come to government.' That is exactly what he said. What incredible arrogance. He was asked yesterday: would you reverse the cuts if you took office? Ms King interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Ballarat. Mr ABBOTT: And he said, 'We do not think the cuts need to be as deep as they are.' So why is it that this Leader of the Opposition supports cuts but will not tell us what they should be? Mr Shorten interjecting— The SPEAKER: The Leader of the Opposition does not give instructions in this chamber, I do. The Leader of the Opposition has the call. Mr Shorten: Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. This Prime Minister is now lying about lying. The SPEAKER: The Leader of the Opposition will withdraw. Mr Pyne interjecting— The SPEAKER: The Leader of the House did not have the call. Mr Pyne: Madam Speaker, I am happy for the opposition to withdraw but the Prime Minister simply repeated what the Leader of the Opposition said, which was that we will find out when they come to government. What he said about the cuts that Labor would make was that we would find out when they come to government. He has slipped up, he should be man enough to admit it and he should withdraw the allegation he made against the Prime Minister. The SPEAKER: The Leader of the House will resume his seat. The Leader of the Opposition has the call and will withdraw what he said. Mr Shorten: I withdraw. The SPEAKER: The Prime Minister has the call. Mr ABBOTT: The Leader of the Opposition supports cuts because that is what he said to ABC radio but he will not tell us what they are. Mr Burke: Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. The SPEAKER: The Manager of Opposition Business will resume his seat. Mr ABBOTT: So what is going on here? The truth is that the Leader of the Opposition is simply untrustworthy. As his former colleague Craig Emerson said— Mr Dreyfus: Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I would again ask you to enforce the standing orders. Under standing order 91(c) we have wilful disregard by the Prime Minister of the standing orders, who has not attempted relevance this question time. The SPEAKER: That is not correct. The member will resume his seat. We have already had a point on relevance. The Prime Minister has the call. Mr ABBOTT: Craig Emerson, the former member for Rankin, talking about the Leader of the Opposition—I am quoting from Paul Kelly's book—said he was telling both camps what they wanted to hear. Kelly went on to say: The distrust between Rudd and Shorten was intense and enduring. Mr Shorten: Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I just asked: how many Victorians are going to lose their jobs? The SPEAKER: The member will resume his seat. Government members interjecting— The SPEAKER: I will have silence on my right including from the member for Corangamite. The Prime Minister has the call and we will have silence to hear the answer. Mr ABBOTT: All through question time today and yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition has been talking about trust— Mr Dreyfus: Answer the question. The SPEAKER: The member for Isaacs will leave under standing order 94(a). The member for Isaacs then left the chamber. Mr ABBOTT: I am talking about trust and this is what Paul Kelly said about the Leader of the Opposition: the distrust between Rudd and Shorten was intense and enduring. The Gillard camp was contemptuous of Shorten— Mr Brendan O'Connor interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Gorton will join the member for Isaacs. The member for Gorton then left the chamber. Mr ABBOTT: considering him weak and duplicitous. Neither side trusted him and neither side revised his view. Well if Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard could not trust bill Shorten, neither can the Australian people.