Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:00): The situation in relation to the ABC is a matter for ABC management and its board. So to suggest that it is the government's responsibility in some form is to miss the point. Indeed, what I would say to ABC management is that it is called the Australian Broadcasting Commission true reason. It is supposed to represent all of Australia. Under current management, you could be forgiven for thinking it is called 'the UBC, the Ultimo Broadcasting Corporation'. That is the problem here. Senator Wong: Mr President, I rise on a point of order as to relevance. I would ask you to refer the minister to the question. He was asked about his answer yesterday when he said, 'Nobody has lost their job, and was asked to correct the record. The PRESIDENT: The minister still has one minute and 11 seconds left to answer the question. I remind the minister of the question. Senator ABETZ: Some of the savings the ABC could make without job losses were highlighted for us yesterday in a Fairfax paper, the Sydney Morning Herald, where a former manager of Radio National said: They didn't have a 9-5 mentality. They had a 10-3 mentality. They planned their work day around their afternoon yoga class. That does not happen in Hobart, it does not happen in Adelaide, it does not happen in Gladstone but it does happen in Ultimo and that is where the ABC management need to come to grips with its charter and the aspirations of the Australian people. Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise on a point of order as to direct relevance. I again ask you to draw the attention of the minister to the question which is about whether the minister is aware of the lost jobs and whether he would correct the record of yesterday. Senator Wong: He is misleading the Senate. The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Wong! Thank you, Senator Moore. I remind the minister he has 26 seconds left to answer the question and I remind him of the question. Senator ABETZ: Another problem with their workplace relations is that: They were like free-range chickens, wandering around at will, pecking at this and that, content that laying one egg constituted a hard day's work. At the time I gave the answer yesterday, nobody had lost their jobs, today nobody had lost their job, and I understand redundancy notices might be given out later this week.