Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:06): This is a government which seeks to preserve every possible job and that is why this government reversed the broken promise of the ALP 'no carbon tax'. The ALP made a promise that there would be no carbon tax, a tax which destroyed thousands of jobs throughout the Australian economy and especially in the manufacturing sector. That is why we got rid of that tax—to preserve jobs. Senator Lundy, I can say to you and your colleagues that that is what motivates us as a government, to get the economy back on track. In circumstances at the time the Prime Minister made his statement about the ABC, Mr Bowen said the deficit would be $18 billion. At the end of the year it was $48 billion as the failed finance minister well knows. (Time expired) Senator Wong interjecting— Senator Ian Macdonald: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. I am trying to listen to senator Abetz and the Leader of the Opposition continuously interjects. It is very difficult for us to hear Senator Abetz. Senator Wong interjecting— Senator Ian Macdonald: And she is at it again now. You would expect that from a backbencher but not from the alternative Leader of the Government in the Senate. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Macdonald. Order! Could I remind senators from both sides of the chamber that interjections— Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong! Senator Cameron: Are you trying to suck up to your colleagues now? The PRESIDENT: And Senator Cameron! I remind all senators that interjections are disorderly and that questions and answers should be heard in silence.