Senator CONROY (Victoria—Deputy Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) (14:47): Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. I refer the minister to the national director of the Defence Force Welfare Association who said: 'The government is using Defence personnel as a whipping boy to reduce its pay offer for other public servants.' Why is the defence minister letting the government use its unfair deal for our service men and women to implement its political agenda to cut the real pay and conditions of all Commonwealth public servants? The PRESIDENT: The minister may answer the parts of that question which are relevant to his portfolio.