Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:49): I am not aware of when or what will be taking place between, as you suggest, Senator Lambie and the Prime Minister. I can tell you one thing: this Prime Minister takes a legitimate interest in this portfolio of mine. He does not send his bodyguard along to NSC— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Pause the clock. Senator Conroy, you have asked your question. Order! Senator Carr. Senator JOHNSTON: In the last budget we took Defence spending as a share of GDP from 1.5 per cent to six per cent, and we were last there in 1938—courtesy of the Labor Party. That is 1938 spending on Defence. So this Prime Minister takes a personal interest in my portfolio and I am very thankful for that because Rudd and Gillard treated it with disdain. They ripped it off. (Time expired)