Senator POLLEY (Tasmania—Deputy Government Whip in the Senate) (14:57): Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. I thank the minister for her response. The interjections will help with my supplementary question, which is in relation to a surplus. Can the minister outline to the Senate the approach the government is taking to returning the budget to surplus and how this contrasts with alternative approaches? Senator Ian Macdonald: This is not a time for jokes.