Senator CHRIS EVANS (Western Australia—Minister for Tertiary Education, Skills, Science and Research and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:09): It seems today that we are the only party committed to returning the economy to surplus, because what we have seen today is the opposition walking away from a surplus. Mr Robb says, 'We might be able to do it in about five years time.' Mr Hockey has had about four different goes at it. I do not know what Mr Abbott is saying because he is not interested in economics. Apparently, the Liberal Party are no longer interested in a surplus. Only the Labor government is committed to getting this country back to surplus. The reason the Liberal Party are no longer committed to a surplus is they know they cannot get a surplus and find the $70 billion in cuts to education and health they will need. They would rather pay money to Gina Rinehart and Twiggy and Rio and BHP than support Australian families. They would rather pay back the mining tax than support Australian families. (Time expired) Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! When there is silence, on both sides, Senator Cormann will get the call.