Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:52): I thank the senator for his question and his particular ongoing interest, even before he came into this place, on initiatives that focus on supporting people who are coming onto welfare, to make sure that they get a stable and ongoing job. We know that people that are on welfare are denying themselves the best opportunity to be able to take advantage of the jobs that are being created. This government has a very proud record of creating jobs. Over 1.4 million jobs have been created since this government came into office, and we have a plan to create many more whilst we are in government. But the reality that we all need to face is that a small proportion of job seekers require additional support to get work-ready. That is why the drug-testing trial is being introduced by this government. It is not a punitive measure, as those opposite think it is. It's an initiative designed to help job seekers to remove the barriers to employment. In reforming the welfare system, we need to make sure there are strong incentives for people with a substance abuse issue to get treatment and to rehabilitate, so that they're in a position to be able to find a job. I want to make it very clear: no-one who tests positive to a drug test will lose one cent of their welfare payment. Rather, if a person fails that test, they will be placed on income management which quarantines 80 per cent of their income support so it can only be spent on life's essentials, such as food, housing and clothing, rather than on drugs. We know that cash is the currency of drug dealers, and we want to deny them that currency. The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Sullivan, a supplementary question?