Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:18): I thank Senator Siewert for her question, and acknowledge her ongoing and enduring interest in speaking on behalf of more vulnerable Australians. I say right from the outset here that the Morrison government is absolutely committed to supporting people into a position where they're job ready, and part of that process is being able to identify the barriers that they face in being able to get a job. One of the more significant barriers, we know, that people who are unemployed face in being able to get themselves into a job is drug addiction or substance abuse. We know from statistics that somebody who is unemployed is more than three times more likely to have an addiction to ice. We know that people who are unemployed are more likely to smoke cannabis than people who are employed. But what we're seeking to do here by this trial, should the legislation be successful in passing this place, is to identify people who have a drug or substance abuse problem. If they fail on the first count to pass a drug test, we would seek to restrict or quarantine an amount of their payment so that they could only access— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Siewert, on a point of order? Senator Siewert: While I appreciate the information the minister's providing, I have heard it before. I asked a very specific question: what makes the government think that they know more than the experts who are saying this doesn't work? The PRESIDENT: Senator Siewert, you restated the question at the end of a longer question that had a substantial preamble and various facts included. The minister is being directly relevant if she speaks to those as well. I cannot instruct a minister how to answer the question. I call the minister to continue. Senator RUSTON: What I would stress here is that this is a trial. The reason we have trials is so that we can gather a body of evidence so that we can make more-informed decisions. This government is absolutely committed to finding new and innovative ways by which we can assist people who are unemployed to break down their barriers to getting into work. This particular trial is exactly that; it is a trial, and it is intended for us to be able to gather that body of evidence so that we can put new programs in place that are innovative and responsive to the conditions and the barriers that individuals find in getting into work. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Siewert, a supplementary question?