Mr ABBOTT (Warringah—Prime Minister) (14:32): This is a government which wants young people to be learning or earning. It is very simple. We want young people to be learning or earning. In order to help them to learn or earn we are introducing trade support loans. For the first time we are trying to ensure that apprentices can have support on the same basis that university students have long had support. You can encourage people to be on welfare or you can encourage people to be self-reliant. I regret to say that the Labor Party seems to prefer people on welfare— Ms Butler interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Griffith will desist or leave. The choice is hers. Mr ABBOTT: than people who are preparing to be contributors to our community. That is what I want. I want to maximise people's contribution to our community. I want young people to have the best possible start in life. The best way to have a good start in life is to leave school and be learning or earning, not being on welfare.