Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance) (14:09): If Labor was re-elected to government, Labor would bring back the carbon tax, Labor would push up the cost of electricity again and Labor would push up the cost of water and the cost of sewerage again right across Australia, including for Indigenous communities in remote Australia. I make this prediction: in the lead-up to the next election, Mr Shorten will campaign and will go to the election promising, 'There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead.' Mr Shorten will go to the campaign—'There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead.' They will use all sorts of weasel words— Senator Wong: 'No cuts to education. No changes to the pension.' What happened to the lies you told? The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator CORMANN: But, Mr President, if it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, it is a duck. Honourable senators interjecting— Senator CORMANN: If it looks like a carbon tax, if it hurts like the carbon tax, it is a carbon tax. Whether you call it a carbon price, whether you call it a floating price or whether you call it a fixed price—whatever the Labor Party choose to call it—whatever they bring back will hurt. (Time expired) Senator Heffernan: I rise on a point of order, Mr President. Can I request that you to tell them to turn it down a bit. They are screaming like lunatics. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order, Senator Heffernan.