Mr ANDREWS (Menzies—Minister for Social Services) (14:25): In reply to the honourable member's question, let me state the facts about New Zealand. In New Zealand, a claimant for the equivalent of unemployment benefits in Australia who goes to the Work and Income—the equivalent of Centrelink here—has to undertake certain activities, thereby having the effect of a waiting period in New Zealand. Opposition members interjecting— Mr ANDREWS: Well, that is right. The reality is that encourages jobseekers in New Zealand to take a work-first approach rather than a welfare-first approach. The SPEAKER: The member for Isaacs will desist, as will the member for McMahon. The member for Gorton is warned! Mr ANDREWS: The benefit of this system in New Zealand is borne out by the results. The effect in New Zealand is to triage applicants for welfare benefits. The reality is that four in 10 people who go along to claim a benefit do not go back to get the benefit; in fact they get a job in the meantime. Four in 10 people in New Zealand do not go back and get the benefit. That compares— Ms Macklin interjecting— Mr ANDREWS: The shadow minister can prattle on all she likes, but these are the facts. I suggest she goes to New Zealand— Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: The Leader of the Opposition! There will be silence on my left. The member for Kingsford Smith! Mr ANDREWS: An outcome of four in 10 people in New Zealand not actually getting welfare— The SPEAKER: The member for Griffith will desist or leave. The choice is hers. Mr ANDREWS: within a month compares favourably with the situation that we have inherited in Australia from the honourable member opposite, where 30 per cent of people—only 30 per cent—go off welfare after three months. I suggest, Madam Speaker, that, instead of asking these sorts of bizarre questions in here, the honourable member opposite gets out of Canberra, gets on a plane to New Zealand, finds out how their system works over there and—by the way, while she is over there—gets some advice from Labour as what not to do as a result of their election last weekend. The SPEAKER: There will be silence on both sides of the House.