Senator SCULLION (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Affairs and Leader of The Nationals in the Senate) (14:59): In the coalition, we understand it's not only about spending more but it's also about spending smarter, so that's what we've done under the Indigenous Procurement Policy. It's a smarter way to save the Commonwealth's very significant spend on goods and services. Senator Cameron: Smarter than the LNP together. Senator SCULLION: Well, it is smart. When we came to government we were 100 times more likely to employ an Indigenous person in an Indigenous businesses than in mainstream businesses. We knew we could grow the sector. If we grow the sector, we get many more Indigenous Australians into work, and that's exactly what's happening. We're not just spending the money because more contracts don't actually fit the bill. They still have to demonstrate value for money. We're ensuring the contracts are awarded where they have the maximum impact, so, instead of giving contracts to large multinational companies like those opposite do, we spend on our local communities. We grow jobs, we grow businesses and we go our— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Williams, a final supplementary question.