Senator CASH (Western Australia—Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Employment and Minister for Women) (14:31): Absolutely not, and I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! Senator CASH: You know that I corrected the record as soon as I could. But let me tell you about the jobs— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cash, please resume your seat. I am struggling to hear Senator Cash, who has a very powerful voice. On my left, can I have a little less noise so I can hear the minister? Senator CASH: We, on this side, want to ensure— The PRESIDENT: Order! Point of order, Senator Farrell? Senator Farrell: Point of order. The minister has already said she's not going to answer the question, so she should then sit down. The PRESIDENT: I actually couldn't hear the minister, a point I made only moments ago when I was calling the chamber to order. I'll ask the minister to continue the answer, and I'll remind the minister of the question. I could not hear the first part of the minister's answer. Senator CASH: Small business is the biggest employer in Australia. We proudly stand here on this side and say, 'Big business and big unions doing deals to cut penalty rates is wrong.' We will stand here every day of the week and go into bat for small business. We want to see small business prosper and grow. We want to see small business on a level playing field with big business. What we don't want to see is big businesses and big unions, time and time again, being able to do dirty little deals that take penalty rates away from workers—something which continues to be condoned by those on the other side.