Senator CASH (Western Australia—Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Employment and Minister for Women) (14:44): Just because Senator Cameron says something doesn't make it true. If I do recall, Senator Christensen also said he wouldn't actually rely on anything 'that Dougie Cameron said'. It is a fact that you, on the other side, support big business and big unions being able to do deals at the expense of small businesses. Your penalty rates amendment means that small businesses will have to pay higher penalty rates than they currently do. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: The point of order is relevance, Mr President. Whilst I understand why, on the other occasions you've ruled against us on this—and we accept it, even if we disagree—this was a very clear question about a statement as to commencement and retrospectivity. The minister is not talking about that; she is talking about other issues. It is asserted, as in the question, that a statement was made by her to Mr Christensen. We'd like her to answer the question. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Wong. I can't instruct the minister how to answer a question. I can, however, remind the minister of the question as asked by Senator Cameron. I call the minister. Senator CASH: As I was saying, one of the issues with the amendment that was moved by Labor yesterday is that it has absolutely no impact, colleagues, on deals done by big businesses with big unions under which those big businesses are already paying lower penalty rates because of the deals that they have struck. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cash, please resume your seat. Senator Carr? Senator Kim Carr: Mr President, on a point of order: the question specifically went to the issue as to why the minister misled the member for Dawson. The minister is going nowhere near addressing that question. I ask you to draw her attention, once again, to the question itself. The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, that was the conclusion of the question. The original part of the question also included a quotation from a member in the other place. I have heard Senator Cash addressing part of that as well. I have said also that, while I cannot instruct the minister how to answer the question, I remind the minister of the question. I also remind those opposite that ministers are allowed to address parts of questions as well. Senator Cash. Senator CASH: As I was saying, Mr President, the bit I read about George Christensen was that he said he wouldn't believe 'anything that Dougie Cameron actually said'. One of the big issues is that those on the other side will always stand up for big business and big unions doing deals against small business. We on this side will stand for small business. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, on a supplementary question.