Senator SCULLION (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Affairs and Leader of The Nationals in the Senate) (14:47): The 38 family and children centres across this nation are emblematic of the chaotic approach of those opposite. They promised and built some 28 of these centres. Was there any contingency for actually staffing the centres? No, we do not worry about that. We will just build a building and suddenly it will be solved magically. Of course we know now that that simply is not going to happen. There was no contingency at all for this. The Commonwealth government involvement was simply to build— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! On my left! Senator Wong is on her feet. Senator Wong: Mr President, I rise on a point of order: relevance. This is a serious question. The minister was asked how many of the 38 children and family centres for Indigenous early education would close. I would ask him to return to the question. The PRESIDENT: Order! The minister has 20 seconds remaining. I do remind the minister of the question. Senator SCULLION: Thank you, Mr President. None will close as a consequence of any action from us. There were additional funds available beyond the bill for states and territories to meet their obligations in regard to staffing these centres. In many of these centres in many of the states and territories— (Time expired)