Mr ABBOTT (Warringah—Prime Minister) (14:58): The difficulty with members opposite is that they want this country to live constantly beyond its means, to keep making payments that it cannot afford, with borrowed money. That is the problem with members opposite. They want this country to continue making payments we cannot afford, with borrowed money. Ms Macklin: Madam Speaker, I raise a point of order on relevance. This is about people who will have nothing to live on. How are they expected to get— The SPEAKER: There is no point of order. Mr ABBOTT: We expect people under 30, the young people of Australia, to be either earning or learning. Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! The member for Perth will desist. Mr ABBOTT: We expect them to be in employment or, if for whatever reason they are not in employment, we expect them to be improving their skills and receiving the support the Commonwealth government quite rightly provides to people who are improving their skills, including youth allowance. Honourable members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! The member for Grayndler and the member for Gorton will desist. Mr ABBOTT: And I want to make it absolutely crystal clear to the shadow minister opposite, who presumably did not look at every element in the budget— Mr Brendan O'Connor interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Gorton will desist. Mr ABBOTT: that we are making it much easier to go to university, to do a diploma, to do an apprenticeship or a traineeship with our Trade Support Loans. Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: There is too much noise on my left, including the member for Perth. Mr ABBOTT: I say to the Leader of the Opposition, it is not kind to put people on social security when there is an alternative. Mr Brendan O'Connor interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Gorton will desist or leave—one or the other. Mr ABBOTT: There is always a training or education alternative available to the young people of Australia, and if they are not in employment, we should encourage them to take it.