Ms COLLINS (Franklin—Minister for Housing, Minister for Homelessness and Minister for Small Business) (14:38): I thank the member opposite for his question. Small businesses, as I said, have been doing it tough and we do know that they are facing rising increases in their costs. We do know that they are dealing with rising energy prices and that they are dealing with rising interest rates. We also know, of course, that they are having trouble attracting staff. We know that there are massive staff shortages, which is why we're also moving—in terms of increasing skilled migration and in terms of increasing fee-free TAFE places—to make sure that we have the workforce available for small businesses. We're also, of course, changing industrial relations laws to make it easier, simpler and cheaper— Ms Ley interjecting— The SPEAKER: The Deputy Leader of the Opposition will cease interjecting. Ms COLLINS: for small businesses to be able to engage in enterprise bargaining. That is what we are doing. We want to make sure that small businesses get the benefits of the productivity increases that come from bargaining with their employees. That is what the Secure Jobs, Better Pay bill is all about. It's also about making sure that the workers in these positions are able to get their first pay rise in almost a decade. Ms Ley interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! The minister will resume her seat. Has the minister concluded her answer? Ms COLLINS: Yes. The SPEAKER: She has concluded her answer.