Ms COLLINS (Franklin—Minister for Housing, Minister for Homelessness and Minister for Small Business) (14:10): I thank the member for Bass for her question. There's no doubt, and I've said in this place, that small businesses have been doing it tough. They are dealing with increased prices and they are doing it tough in terms of increased mortgages and increased energy prices. But what we're doing with the better pay, secure jobs legislation is that we're trying to actually support small businesses and give them what they want. What we're doing here is giving them access to enterprise bargaining— Mr Littleproud interjecting— The SPEAKER: The Leader of the Nationals will cease interjecting. Ms COLLINS: that will improve productivity and give businesses the benefit of negotiating with their employees. Indeed, when you go to the regulatory impact statement and you keep reading, it says: The significant benefits of being covered by an enterprise agreement and the costs that may be associated with remaining covered by a Modern Award outweigh the additional cost for businesses to engage with the new multi-enterprise bargaining streams— not to mention that most small businesses will go into the cooperative stream— Ms Ley interjecting— The SPEAKER: The Deputy Leader of the Opposition will cease interjecting. Ms COLLINS: where they'll be able to get off-the-shelf type products, and it will cost them very little, and that's where we think most small businesses will go. Ms Bell interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Moncrieff will cease interjecting. There is far too much noise. I want to be very clear with the House. There must be silence when questions are being asked. Ministers are entitled to answer questions in silence as well. I'm not mucking around today.