Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister for Emergency Management) (14:04): I understand that this has given the opposition a lot of amusement this week, but we don't think it's amusing that, for 10 years, workers have had to get by without a pay rise. Senator McGrath: It's in your RIS! Senator WATT: We don't think it's an amusing situation— The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, please resume your seat. Senator McGrath, I have asked for silence. The minute the minister got to his feet you were shouting louder than the minister who has a microphone. I ask again for there to be silence so that we can all hear the minister's answer. Minister Watt. Senator WATT: I haven't seen that report from ACCI, but, if they are putting that sort of information out then they are wrong and they are misleading their members— Senator McGrath: They're wrong! Murray knows best. Senator Cash: They're wrong! Senator WATT: Because what ACCI and the opposition should know is that small businesses will have access to the cooperative workplaces— The PRESIDENT: Minister Watt, resume your seat. I asked at the start of question time for there not to be a repeat of the disorder that was in the chamber yesterday during question time and immediately we have the disorder back again. I'm going to ask for about the fourth time for members on my left in particular to listen to the answers in silence. Minister Watt. Senator WATT: ACCI should know, because— Senator Cash: Yes, they should! Senator WATT: they've been involved in these discussions, that small businesses will have access to the cooperative workplaces stream. The PRESIDENT: Minister Watt, please resume your seat. Senator Cash, you immediately started shouting again after I had asked for silence. I ask for silence and some respect for the rulings of the chair. Minister Watt. Senator WATT: In fact, ACCI is one of the organisations that will have every ability under this legislation to prepare a template agreement for all small businesses to opt into under the cooperative workplaces stream. So are ACCI telling us that they oppose a wage rise—shock, horror; ACCI have always supported pay rises, haven't they? Are they also saying that they're not prepared to play their role as an employer group to design a template agreement that small businesses can sign up to? That would be a very interesting offer to their members. The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam, a supplementary question?