Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:13): I think it is a good question, because it allows me to spell out, just for a second, in the hope it might sink in—I mean, they're not all there, but for those that are. I want to break this to you really slowly. It is in the Australian interest and the interest of Australians for these climate negotiations to be successful. It is in the interest of Australia for Australia's interest to be represented there by our capable and effective Minister for Climate Change and Energy. It's Australian farmers, Australian industry, regional communities— The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie? Senator McKenzie: On a point of order, Madam President, on relevance, the minister has gone nowhere near the cost of the issues outlined in the joint media release issued by the Prime Minister and Minister Wong. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator McKenzie. I think Senator Ayres is addressing the media release, but I will continue to listen carefully, and if he doesn't I'll draw him to the question. Senator AYRES: The media release and the Conference of the Parties, of course, go to all of these questions. It's in Australians' interests—Australian farmers, Australian industry, coastal communities and communities in the bush—and, of course, it's also in the interests— Senator McKenzie interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, you've asked the question. Senator AYRES: of our friends and neighbours in the Pacific, who you lot mock and make fun of. Your previous leader mocked their interests. We are working with them to deliver in Australian interests. Today, there are representatives of those countries and their churches touring this building— Senator McKenzie interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator McKenzie interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, I called order. Senator AYRES: speaking to us directly—in fact, this morning, singing beautifully—about their interests—their national interests. That is what is being represented here, and it's absolutely in Australia's interests. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, first supplementary?