Senator WALSH (Victoria—Minister for Early Childhood Education and Minister for Youth) (14:05): Senator Duniam, thanks for the question. I think this issue—of keeping children safe in early childhood education and making sure that parents have the confidence that their children are safe—is absolutely an issue that should be above politics. We have really appreciated, on this side of the chamber, your bipartisanship and your offer of ongoing bipartisanship for the reforms that we're working on, in terms of both the legislation and what will be a strong and significant package of reforms brought by our education ministers. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cash? Senator Cash: The point of order is, again, in relation to direct relevance. We all agree the reforms are urgent, which is why we have asked: what date has the minister given the states to have reforms in place? Have you asked them this? The PRESIDENT: Minister Wong? Senator Wong: I would make the point first on what we thought was a bipartisan set of propositions— The PRESIDENT: Have you got a point of order? Senator Wong: I do; I'm speaking to the point of order. The minister is setting out the process by which these urgent reforms are being progressed. I would have thought it was self-evident to the opposition that that is directly relevant to the question that was asked. But, more importantly, I would have thought it was deserving of bipartisan support. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cash? Senator Cash: Again, on the point of order: with all due respect to Senator Wong as Leader of the Government in the Senate, the question was quite specific in relation to whether the minister has asked the state and territory ministers to have what we all agree are urgent reforms to protect our children completed by a certain date. The PRESIDENT: I understand very clearly the question. Senator Cash, it is my view that the minister is being relevant, but I will point her to that specific part of the question. Senator WALSH: Officials and states and territories are in absolutely no doubt that these reforms are urgent. It's why we've called a special meeting to consider those reforms.