Senator WALSH (Victoria—Minister for Early Childhood Education and Minister for Youth) (14:02): I attended my first education ministers meeting at the end of June. At that meeting, both Minister Clare and I tasked officials with coming up with an urgent plan for reform. We also scheduled a standalone education ministers meeting for August solely focused on this package of significant and strong reforms, including the first-ever nationwide register of early childhood educators. The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston? Senator Ruston: I rise on a point of order on direct relevance. Senator Duniam's question was very, very tight. He simply asked by what date Australians families can expect to know when these measures are going to be put in place. The PRESIDENT: I think the minister has been directly relevant to the question. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! I am giving a response. If a senator stands to make a point of order, I expect senators to be silent as I respond to it. The minister is being directly relevant, Senator Ruston. Minister Walsh, please continue. Senator WALSH: You have asked for dates. We had a meeting at the end of June. We organised an urgent second meeting, which will be towards the end of August. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam, second supplementary?