Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (14:48): I certainly reject outright any assertion by the senator that we are individually responsible for what's going on. It is clearly not good. The PRESIDENT: Minister McCarthy, please resume your seat. Senator Thorpe? Senator Thorpe: Relevance to the question. The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, the minister is being directly relevant to your question. Please resume your seat, and I'll call the minister to continue her answer. Senator Thorpe interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, I have asked you to resume your seat. Thank you. Senator McCARTHY: These are good leg exercises, President! It is clearly concerning, of course— The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe? Senator Thorpe: On relevance, this is not a joke. There are children dying in prisons under your watch. The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, resume your seat. Senator Thorpe interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Thorpe, come to order! Senator McCarthy. Senator McCARTHY: It is clearly a serious concern—the high rates of First Nations youth and First Nations people in custody across the country. I've certainly spent time in Western Australia visiting the Banksia Hill Detention Centre to work on and look at what was going on with our First Nations children in that centre. I've been working, trying to see that we have our Aboriginal medical centres in detention centres across the country. It is a process that Minister Mark Butler and I are working on. (Time expired)