Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:41): I'm wondering why— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! The minister's on her feet. Senators on my left and my right. Order! Order, Senator Birmingham! Senator GALLAGHER: I thank Detective Duniam for the question. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator GALLAGHER: Look, forgive me for— The PRESIDENT: Minister Gallagher, I do remind you that you need to refer to people by their correct title. Senator GALLAGHER: Sorry, Senator Duniam. Again, I haven't seen the transcript from which he's reading. I haven't got that detail in front of me. As I said, there is universal disagreement about this matter between states across the federation, particularly about what should and shouldn't be included for the relativities process. I know there have been exemptions from time to time—not for all the exemptions that have been sought—across all of the states across Australia. If there is further information I can provide, I'll come back. The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam, second supplementary?