Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations) (14:15): Again, we see a direct attack on the independent security agencies from the federal opposition—an absolutely extraordinary situation that we continue to see. Senator Henderson interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister Watt, please resume your seat. Senator Henderson, lower your voice. Minister, please continue. Senator WATT: I know the opposition don't want to see themselves characterised— Senator Hughes interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister Watt, please resume your seat. Senator Hughes, equally—lower your voice. Senator Hughes: Why do we need you, if you just hand it over to bureaucrats? The PRESIDENT: Senator Hughes, I'll call you to order! Minister, please continue. Senator WATT: I'll take the interjection from Senator Hughes. Senator Hughes just said, as a member of the opposition, 'If you're just going to leave it to bureaucrats, then why are you here?' That's the policy of the federal opposition. Ministers in a Dutton government would direct the national security agencies to make decisions, rather than rely on the independent advice from national security— The PRESIDENT: Minister Watt, please resume your seat. Senator Chandler. Senator Chandler: A point of order. The minister is going nowhere near answering the question. It's a point of order of direct relevance. The PRESIDENT: Order! As you know, Senator Chandler, the minister— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! I am responding to the point of order. The minister is entitled to— Senator Hughes interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Hughes, when you've quite finished. Order! Senator Hughes, if you can't remain quiet, please leave the chamber. That's your choice. Senator Chandler, as you are aware, the minister is entitled to respond to interjections. You could get your question more directly answered if you invited your colleagues not to make interjections. Minister Watt, I would also remind you to direct your comments to the chair. Senator WATT: As I say, what we see continually from the federal opposition are direct attacks on the independence of our national security agencies. The Albanese government is more than willing to rely on the advice from national security professionals as to the security credentials of any applicant for a visa. Our security agencies don't stop checking someone's national security credentials the moment they enter into Australia. And, as further information comes to light, then advice is updated and we act on that advice. The only people who want to ignore our national security agencies are those sitting opposite. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Chandler, second supplementary? Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Chandler, please resume your seat. Order! Senator Chandler was on her feet, waiting. Senator McKenzie! It's about the fourth time I've called you this question time. I invite you to listen in silence or leave the chamber. It's your choice. Your colleague has been on her feet, trying to ask the next question. Senator Chandler, second supplementary?