Senator McALLISTER (New South Wales—Minister for Emergency Management and Minister for Cities) (14:26): The truth is that there are a set of laws before this chamber which you could vote for. They are a set of laws that we committed to. We did say we wished to reform the EPBC— Senator Hanson-Young: You can't do both things. Senator McKim: You promised to fix them! The PRESIDENT: Minister McAllister, please resume your seat. Senator Hanson-Young and Senator McKim, I don't need to hear a running commentary. You are being disrespectful to the chamber. Senator Hanson-Young interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Hanson-Young, you're not in a debate with me. Minister McAllister, please continue. Senator McALLISTER: The government has made it very clear—and this is from the Prime Minister down—that these are laws that should be supported in their current form because there is something in this legislation for everyone. There's a new tough cop on the beat, the first-ever national EPA with strong powers and the ability to issue orders, audit and monitor businesses to make sure they're doing the right thing. Those are measures that a party that claims to seek to protect the environment should vote for. Those are things that you should vote for. But it would be important for business, too, because what business say is that they want certainty, and these laws offer that. It is a very great shame that the coalition refuses to support them.