Senator COLBECK (Tasmania—Minister for Aged Care and Senior Australians and Minister for Youth and Sport) (14:12): This government has worked assiduously over recent months to assist all Australians to deal with the global health pandemic that is COVID-19. A range of measures have been introduced, including working with Australia Post to ensure that Australia Post can manage the increased demand that is required as a result of changes in Australians' habits through being— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong on a point of order? Senator Wong: Yes, on direct relevance. We actually asked this minister about his engagement. What consultation, as the minister responsible for senior Australians, did he engage in about the proposed changes to service arrangements? The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong raises a legitimate point about direct relevance in this case. However, I will be slightly broader in my interpretation of it, because that was the second part of the question. The first part did refer to consultation more generally. It is my view that a minister could be directly relevant while talking about consultation about this change, not just that part of the question. But the definition of direct relevance is tighter than the old definition of broad relevance. I'll call Senator Colbeck to continue with that in mind. Senator COLBECK: Thank you, Mr President, and can I just reject the core basis of the allegation that the opposition's making—that we're trying to make people wait longer for the services they're receiving. We've done no such thing at any point. In fact this government, all through the period of the COVID-19 outbreak, has done everything it can to accommodate changes that have occurred, to accommodate the changes that have had to be made because of the incidence of COVID-19. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Kitching, a final supplementary question?