Senator BRANDIS (Queensland—Attorney-General, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:15): No, I do not, Senator Sterle. In answer to Senator Macdonald's question, I reflected on the years when I used to practice at the bar and I tell you what that taught me, Senator Sterle, because I largely practised in commercial matters: it is the most common thing in the world for two people to have a discussion and both of them, honestly and in good faith, to take a different recollection away from that discussion. Just because the documents do not support or evidence a deal does not mean that Dr Nahan is being dishonest— Senator Wong: So he's stupid; you're saying he's stupid. Senator BRANDIS: No, I am not. I am not saying that at all, Senator Wong. I am saying that I do not for a moment doubt Dr Nahan's honesty or good faith in his recollection of his discussions with Mr Hockey, but I have no knowledge of those discussions and the only documentary evidence of them I have seen does not support that conclusion. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Can I have a little bit more quiet on my left. Not only do I need to hear the questions but I need to hear the answers. Senator Jacinta Collins interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Collins! Senator Sterle, a final supplementary question.