Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:37): I think the senator makes a very valid point, and from my cursory reading of the charter I would have thought that the ABC should be doing exactly that. The question seems to be the will of Ultimo or central headquarters in Sydney as to how much they pursue that aspect of their charter. I for one would encourage them to pursue that rather than continuing their expenditure at Ultimo, in the middle of Sydney. I would encourage them—like Mr Bannon, the former Labor Premier, not from my side of politics, asked—to look to the regions to maintain and sustain them rather than continually looking after Sydney central headquarters.