Senator WONG (South Australia—Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate and Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:30): The lie that the opposition keeps peddling is that there is a slogan solution to this public policy problem. That is the lie they keep peddling, and it is a lie. It is deeply irresponsible. The continued assertion that they somehow have a magic solution ignores both the advice of the customs and navy personnel— Senator Brandis: Mr President, on a point of order of direct relevance: both the primary question and each of the two supplementary questions were directed to the methodology exposed in the budget papers. The second supplementary question from Senator Cormann directly challenged how that methodology could result in a downward reduction in the number of estimated boat arrivals at a time of an increasing upward trend. That was the substance of the question. It is not being addressed in this very, very general answer. Senator Jacinta Collins: Mr President, on the point of order: once again, Senator Brandis has not actually been listening to the questions that have been asked. You will be aware that I highlighted with respect to the first supplementary question that the minister was being verballed. Senator Cormann was putting his own interpretation on the answer that had been provided. It was quite different to the facts and he is encouraged to have a look at the Hansard there. He has asked for a broad political spray and that is what he is getting. The PRESIDENT: Order! The minister has 36 seconds remaining. The minister, I believe, is addressing the question. The minister has 36 seconds. There is no point of order. Senator WONG: Thank you Mr President. The opposition might believe that the facts are not relevant. I understand that that is their position. But responsible parliamentarians know that the facts are relevant and the facts of this are that naval and customs personnel have advised about the dangers of your policy and Indonesia has said that they will not accept boats being turned back. All you are peddling is a lie and a slogan in the face of what is a difficult public policy question, about which you only want to play politics.