Ms GILLARD (Lalor—Prime Minister) (14:43): To the Deputy Leader of the Opposition's question: of course I do discuss these issues with Indonesia. I have personally discussed these issues with the President of Indonesia. Let me say to the Deputy Leader of the Opposition: I had the guts to talk through the government's policies with the President of Indonesia. When the Leader of the Opposition had his opportunity in Darwin during the annual leaders summit between me and President Yudhoyono, he lacked the guts. Mr Entsch interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! The member for Leichhardt is warned. The Deputy Leader of the Opposition has the call. Ms Julie Bishop: Speaker, on a point of order: I am seeking an answer from the Prime Minister as to when she will go to Indonesia and personally hold talks to solve problems caused by her government. The SPEAKER: The Deputy Leader of the Opposition will resume her seat. The Prime Minister has the call. Ms GILLARD: When we do talk to Indonesia we have the guts and the truthfulness to talk about government policies. When the Leader of the Opposition did that he had been round the country beating his chest. He campaigned in 2010. 'Stop the boats,' he said wherever he went, 'I believe in turning boats around.' When he sat in a room with the President of Indonesia, what did he do? Not one word about turning boats around passed his lips. He lacked the guts because he knew that the President of Indonesia would just have said no and therefore he knew in that moment that this silly game of 'stop the boats' would have been over. Instead of having the guts to actually put his position, to listen to what the President of Indonesia had to say, he basically sat silent . Well, the people of Australia should judge that. If he does not have the guts as the Leader of the Opposition to say this to the President of Indonesia then, if ever he is Prime Minister, he never will. 'Stop the boats' is a slogan, nothing more, nothing less. (Time expired)