Senator LUNDY (Australian Capital Territory—Minister Assisting for Industry and Innovation, Minister for Multicultural Affairs and Minister for Sport) (14:23): I have already said I cannot address the specifics, but perhaps I can give some relevant contextual information about the nature of the projects that PaCE does continue to fund. One example is the Ipswich PaCE project, where parents and carers have been supported through a successful elders education support group. The group plays an active role within the school and associated community events by empowering parents and carers— Senator Siewert: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. The minister has already outlined the value of this program, which is why I am asking the question: how many centres are in exactly the same position? If the minister has information on the value of this program, she should also know how many centres are funded. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. Senator LUNDY: I do not have that information at hand. I am happy to take that information on notice also, but the point remains that Senator Siewert is obviously not familiar with the budget announcement that we made and the fact that we are continuing this program as an annual item for the next five years. Senator Siewert interjecting— Senator LUNDY: Senator Siewert, if you listen to my answer, you will understand that we have continued this program, contrary to your statement that it was discontinued in the federal budget this year.