Senator FIFIELD (Victoria—Manager of Opposition Business in the Senate) (14:50): Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. At the end of that answer the minister referred to the other long-term savings, which is actually the matter of the primary question. If the minister is unable to disaggregate those other long-term savings, perhaps she could just give me a total figure for the period 2012-13 to 2022-23. Perhaps she could give me that headline figure.