Senator WONG (South Australia—Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate and Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:17): These numbers are all set out in the budget papers. I can stand here and read out the budget papers, but— Honourable senators interjecting— Senator WONG: Senator Brandis says, 'Well, do.' I am not sure. I think the next time I 'well, do' read the budget papers in question time, I suspect he will probably tell me off, because he will say, 'We can read the budget papers ourselves.' Senator Brandis: Mr President, a point of order on direct relevance—the question was: 'What is the market value of government debt over the forward estimates?' The question was directed only to a figure. The minister has acknowledged in what she has already said that she has that figure in her possession, so she is able to answer the question. You should direct her to do so. The PRESIDENT: I cannot direct the minister on how to answer the question. I believe the minister is answering the question. The minister still has 36 seconds remaining to address the question. Senator Conroy interjecting— Senator WONG: I think Senator Conroy is suggesting that it is in statement 3. I suspect it is in a couple of statements of Budget Paper No. 1. As I said, the market value is listed in the budget papers. The relevant debt figure, though, for the purposes of assessing the strength of the economy, is, of course, net debt. I would refer the senator to the comments of Mr Howard yesterday, which reminded the coalition— (Time expired)