Senator BOB CARR (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs) (14:58): Mr President, I am very happy to research that and provide the Senate with further information. But I am in a position to say to the Senate that in Israel a little over a week ago I had a meeting with the President. I met with the Prime Minister in the Knesset for over an hour. I met the defence minister for over an hour. I met the leader of the Labor Party in the Knesset. I met several other members of the Knesset and I met senior people in intelligence. So concerned are they with the matter you raised that not one of them even made a passing reference to Australian aid going, allegedly, to an organisation tainted with terrorist support. I met a prominent Australian Israeli citizen. I met at his home another minister in the government. I met columnists and commentators. And nowhere during this visit was this suggestion made that Australia has somehow done the wrong thing in providing a bit of aid to an organisation that, in the impoverished Gaza, provides Palestinian families with seedlings so they can grow their own vegetables. That is what this maligned organisation does. And who heads the Australian organisation through which this support is provided? Who heads it? Senator Cameron: Tell us. Senator BOB CARR: I will give you a clue: an eminent Christian, his brother was for a time the Treasurer of the Commonwealth— (Time expired) Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! When there is silence we will proceed. Senator Abetz is entitled to be heard in silence.