Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:48): Might I just remind Senator Cash that Indonesia is not a signatory to the international conventions. Your policy position is that you would turn the boats around and tow them out to sea. This is the policy position that you tried to put, Senator, and you try to claim you have got this superior attitude when it comes to human rights. I put it to you, Mr President, that a policy that sees the drowning of people on the high seas is not very humanitarian. That is exactly the policy position of the previous— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: We will continue when there is silence. The time for debate is after 3 pm. Senator CARR: When we are lectured by those opposite on humanitarian issues, particularly with their sorry record when it comes to the actual deportation of Australian citizens or the locking up of people who have permanent residence— (Time expired)