Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:23): I thank Senator Hanson-Young for her question. I can indicate that the Prime Minister has made the position of the government very clear on this matter. The government intends to pursue our legislation through the parliament. The government is of the view that this is the right balance between legal certainty for offshore processing and the protection for asylum seekers. The government takes the view— Senator Brandis: Why don't you try offshore processing at the only place it actually worked? Senator CARR: Lord Brandis, why don't you listen? You might learn something. It is the right plan to stop desperate people— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Hanson-Young is entitled to hear the answer in silence. Senator CARR: The Prime Minister has made it perfectly clear that the government's view is that this is the right plan to stop desperate people getting on boats and risking their lives. I know those opposite are determined to wreck the offshore processing arrangements and they have quite clearly identified what their political strategy is. The legislation will be assessed— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! If you wish to debate the issue— Senator Cormann: You have a strong track record— The PRESIDENT: Senator Cormann! I am in the process of seeking order in this chamber so that we can listen to the answer. If you disagree with what the minister is saying then the appropriate time to do that is post three o'clock. Senator CARR: The government is of the view that this legislation is appropriate and it is appropriate that the minister be required to have regard to whether a country has given Australia assurances on two key protection issues—that is, firstly, the nonrefoulement, that no genuine refugee will be returned to a country they have fled; and, secondly, that there will be access to a refugee assessment process. In essence, the government's position is to entrench in law arrangements whereby we consider whether a country will provide the protection under the key tenets of the refugee convention. The government is determined to pursue these questions and, to answer Senator Hanson-Young's question directly, we have no intention of resiling from that position.