Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:34): Essentially, that is a policy proposition that is against Australia taking any action on climate change. Senator Abetz: No, not 'any' action. Senator WONG: I will take that interjection. Senator Abetz says 'not "any" action'. That is true, Senator Abetz. The action you wish to take is to achieve the same outcome at a higher cost—very sensible economic policy! You will achieve the same environmental outcome— Opposition senators interjecting— Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, just resume your seat. I again draw to the attention of senators that the time for debating this is at three o'clock. There are still 25 minutes to go. Senator Ronaldson: We can't wait today. The PRESIDENT: I am sure you can. Senator Macdonald? Senator Ian Macdonald: Mr President, I thought you were going to bring the minister into order, but I will take a point of order on relevance. The minister was asked about the tonnes of carbon that would increase in China. She has been going for, what, 24 seconds and hasn't even got anywhere near to answering that. She is lecturing us on other things that were not the subject of the question, and I ask you to bring her to order and ask her to answer the question or sit down if she cannot. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. Senator Wong, you have 36 seconds remaining to answer the question. Senator WONG: Thank you. In relation to China, I would make the point I have made on previous occasions that China is leading the world in the production of a range of low-emissions technologies. It is also piloting emissions trading in a range of major provinces with a combined population of over 200 million. I am accused of lecturing. If the opposition are going to persist with a policy that is economically stupid, if they are going to impose higher costs on the Australian economy to achieve the same outcome, well, perhaps they need a bit of lecturing.