Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:27): The government has made it perfectly clear that we are pursuing a policy to ensure that we actually break the criminal syndicates that are seeking to take advantage of people's suffering and we are seeking to do all we can to stop the boats arriving. We want to ensure that there are appropriate offshore arrangements that will provide sufficient deterrence for those who would ply the trade. The government do not resile from the position it has put. As far as we are concerned, there is no issue that Nauru would not be a satisfactory destination for that type of processing, that there would in fact be— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! I need silence on my left. There are 31 seconds left. Senator CARR: It is quite clear that the operational costs for Nauru— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! I remind senators that if you wish to debate it, the time for that is three o'clock. Senator CARR: Operating Nauru would be in the order of $980 million over four years—just operational expenses alone. That clearly would be an extraordinary— (Time expired)