Senator LUDWIG (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Minister Assisting the Attorney-General on Queensland Floods Recovery) (14:05): I outline that, in terms of the bilateral relations that we have with Indonesia, we are working closely with the Indonesian government on this issue. Both DFAT and DAFF officials have been in close contact with our Indonesian ambassador in Jakarta, and Indonesian counterparts. The Indonesian government shares our concern that some animals are not being slaughtered in accordance with Indonesia's own animal welfare laws. Both governments acknowledge that no one issue can dominate the relationship. The Indonesian trade minister, Dr Pangestu, stressed in her public comments that Australia's action represents a temporary suspension and that Indonesia was keen to improve practices. Senator Brandis: Mr President, I raise a point of order on relevance. The question could not have been more specific: when did the minister contact the Indonesian government in relation to these practices? There was nothing else. He was not asked about the bilateral relationship or the history. He was asked a narrow and specific question. Either he answers it or he is not being either directly or indirectly relevant. The PRESIDENT: I draw the minister's attention to the question. You have nine seconds remaining, Minister. Senator LUDWIG: I had the opportunity of speaking to my counterpart, Minister Suswono, and I will provide the exact time and date for the chamber. Can I also indicate— (Time expired)