Ms GILLARD (Lalor—Prime Minister) (15:13): I thank the member for his question. As the member would be aware, we are in advanced discussions with Malaysia. Rather than, as we have seen from the opposition in the past, the member for Stirling going round and making things up, at the appropriate point he will be able himself to see all of the conditions applying to the transfer agreement with Malaysia. I would remind the member that the purpose of the transfer agreement with Malaysia is to break the people smugglers' business model. Mr Hartsuyker: You created it. You opened the door. The SPEAKER: The member for Cowper! Ms GILLARD: It is only by working through our region in a regional way through an agreement like the agreement we are discussing with Malaysia that we can break that model—as opposed to what the Leader of the Opposition and his spokesperson are recommending, which is a one-out action, not being part of a regional solution, not being connected to UNHCR and having the ultimate destination as Australia. Mr Hartsuyker interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Cowper is now warned. Ms GILLARD: We are determined to work through to a more effective approach to deal with people-smuggling.