Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (15:03): Yesterday I spoke with the President of the National Farmers' Federation in the meeting that Minister Bowen convened. He's a real farmer, not a fake farmer. What he said— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ayres, please resume your seat. Senator Cash: You've insulted every farmer! Senator AYRES: He's not like the fake farmers over there. He is a real farmer, not a fake farmer like that lot over there. The PRESIDENT: Minister Ayres and Senator Cash, order! I remind you, Senator Ayres, when I ask you to sit, that's what I expect. Senator Ayres: Sorry, I couldn't hear you. The PRESIDENT: Senator Henderson? Senator Henderson: I have a point of order on impugning another senator in this place. Seriously, Minister, that's a joke. The PRESIDENT: Senator Henderson! The chamber needs to come to order. I don't believe the minister was making a direct comment to anyone. I will ask that, if he was, he withdraw, but I believe it was just a general comment. Senator AYRES: I was referring to the National Party. The NFF president— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ayres, in the interests of the chamber, I ask you to refrain from doing that and just answer the question. Senator AYRES: The National Farmers' Federation president, Mr McIntyre, said: … there's been increased demand of about 40 per cent right across the nation … Everyone across the economy … has been forward buying more than they usually do. What should we do in response to that? Well, one approach is to go and yell at people and tell them there's a supply problem when you know it's not true. The other approach is to communicate directly and transparently in the way that I have done about the amount of petrol and diesel and jet fuel that there is here in Australia: more than there has been for 15 years. (Time expired) Senator Wong: I ask that further questions be placed on the Notice Paper.