Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:03): As I was indicating, there has been a spike in purchases. The President of the National Farmers' Federation said: 'There has been an increasing demand, around 40 per cent, right across the nation.' That's his words. He said, 'Everyone across the economy is forward buying more than they usually do.' Peter Jones, the CEO of the Victorian Automotive Chamber of Commerce, said: 'What I would say is that there is plenty of fuel in the country; the issue is demand— Senator Colbeck: President, I raise a point of order on direct relevance. My question goes to this particular cohort who are wanting to understand where the fuel that the government says is in the country actually is. The simple question is: where is it and why isn't it making it through the supply chain? The PRESIDENT: The minister is being directly relevant. You asked the minister about bottlenecks, hoarding and supply chains, so I think he is being directly relevant to your question. Senator AYRES: I'm talking precisely, Senator Colbeck, in evidentiary terms, on what it is that industry, people who are engaged in driving trucks, people in the fishing industry and people who are supplying petroleum are saying. Spikes in demand have created some constraints in some regional parts of Australia. Overall, in fuel security terms, we are stronger than we have been for 15 years. The PRESIDENT: Senator Colbeck, second supplementary?