Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:49): I'll say a couple of things on that. If I can assist in terms of meetings, I'd be very happy to. It's my approach to meet regularly with industry, whether it's in the smelter sector, whether it's in the artificial intelligence sector or wherever it is. My office is not a place where we hide from industry. But the implication underlying your question, I think, is utterly offensive. Just because we disagree about the approach that we take— The PRESIDENT: Senator Nampijinpa Price? Senator Nampijinpa Price: I have a point of order. The minister never directs his answers through you, Chair. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Nampijinpa Price. I remind the minister to direct his answers to me. Senator AYRES: Just because those of us in this place disagree—there's an idea that there's not room for disagreement and that people can't form different views about what is in the national interest here. I happen to think that it's in the national interest to make sure that we secure as much of the technology stack here in Australia and that it's run by Australians in our national interest— (Time expired)