Senator PAYMAN (Western Australia—Australia's Voice Whip) (14:49): Minister, you're doing a great job dodging my questions; let's hope you can answer this one. Australians know that influence is power in this place, and industry giants have access to ministers. They present them with talking points and influence the decision-making of executive government. Minister, since you became the Minister for Industry and Innovation last year, on how many occasions have you met with representatives of OpenAI, Anthropic and other AI companies?