Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (15:01): That is the contrast between your political party and the government. Whenever there has been a national challenge over the course of the last few years, the focus of the Nationals, the Liberals and One Nation has been to hyperventilate, drive division, shout at people— The PRESIDENT: Senator Henderson? Senator Henderson: President, it's a point of order on direct relevance. Could you ask the minister to please be directly relevant to the question I asked, which was all about— The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Henderson; I don't need the question repeated. I have written down the key points. Minister Ayres, could you direct your response to the question, please. Senator AYRES: I'm referring to the kinds of communications that make a difference at a time of national challenge like this. The approach of those opposite has been to spread division, anger and rancour— Senator Henderson: President, I've a point of order on direct relevance. I did ask about whether fuel shortages are already forcing— The PRESIDENT: Senator Henderson, as I've said— Senator Henderson: transport operators— The PRESIDENT: Senator Henderson! We've been down this road before. Senator Henderson: Yes, but the minister did not address the question. The PRESIDENT: When I call you, I expect you to stop. You don't need to repeat the question. As I said when you stood last time, the minister is now being relevant. I will continue to listen closely to his response. Senator AYRES: It goes in a cycle—national challenge, National Party and Liberal Party division, fear, anger and extremism, and then Australians walk away from them. It goes national challenge, anger, fear and political extremism, and then more Australians walk away from them. It happens again and again, and they get smaller and smaller. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Henderson, second supplementary?